Hey, Data-Dog, here's a link for downloading the pdf file of the Jeremiah book (scroll down). You can see the nastiness with your own eyes.... (may need bleach after)!
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books?start=24
Muddy Waters
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Having children is bad
by dissonance_resolved inwent to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.
the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!
it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!
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Having children is bad
by dissonance_resolved inwent to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.
the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!
it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!
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Holy sh*t....!!!! Here's a quote from paragraph 4: " Can you imagine the feelings of those who were reduced to cannibalism or those who saw loved ones become mere carrion?" (regarding destruction of Jerusalem)
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Having children is bad
by dissonance_resolved inwent to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.
the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!
it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!
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Muddy Waters
Data-Dog: The Jeremiah book, chapter 8, paragraphs 1-7 (starts on page 92).
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Rutherford may have been right on one thing.....
by EndofMysteries ini remember seeing a few years ago articles posted about the strange things published that is considered nonsense today.
i remember one was him strongly opposed to anything with aluminum.
it's becoming increasingly mentioned as that being a major link to several autoimmune diseases and alheimers/dementia/etc.
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The vaccine issue is one that I've been doing a lot of research into recently. There are many compelling arguments and research *against* vaccination. Again, one needs to hear from BOTH sides of an issue/argument to come to their own conclusion.
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Having children is bad
by dissonance_resolved inwent to the weeknight meeting this week for the first time in a long while.
the study was all about how having children was ill-advised in this time of the end- the comments dwelled on what a burden children are, how you can spend more time in the ministry without children, and look what they did in jerusalem- they cannabilized their own children!
it's going to be so horrible to watch our children suffer during the great tribulation!
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Muddy Waters
I've never forgotten one of Ray Franz's quotes in CoC regarding the extent in which the Society involves themselves (imposes themselves) in people's lives involving LIFE'S MOST PRECIOUS ASSETS -- children (the decision to have or not to have), education, career, use of one's time, choice of marriage mate (or remaining single).... They impose their values and strictures on people for the good of the organization and railroad their members and drive them into the ground while constantly taking, taking, taking from them.
When Rutherford penned his evil tome, "Children", it was later described in a WT as a book which the children in the audience held dear to them, clasping the book to their bosom as something precious and valuble...
The most evil thing about this book was Rutherford's ranting against having any children! The hubris about delivering his special talk toward the children of the audience, and making his book a gift to the CHILDREN in the audience is especially despicable when once again, the aim was for people not to have any children or for these children to grow up and have children.
A people or group or organization who spurns children is a cold, dead, lifeless, heartless beast of a thing. There is no love there or love of life or appreciation of LIFE and future. The GB is like a group of already cold, dead men reaching with skeletal hands to take life from you and make you as dusty and cold and empty as they...- Muddy
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July 15th Study Edition Is Up..
by confusedteenager innot sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but yeah.
they just posted up the new watchtower...with the confusing new information.. time for me to go dive into this "new light" and try to see what sense it makes.
of course cedars already nicely did a run down for us.. .
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So.... omg, my brain is frying here trying to figure this nonsense out.
So... RUTHERFORD (as WTBTS president in 1919) was the FDS=governing body? *HE* was the first one?? He was the one who, after being examined by Jesus, was then approved?? He was the only person on the whole earth who merited the esteemed title of FDS?
And even though there was no functioning "governing body" till the 1970's, somehow there was still a GB in 1919...??!!??? (A GB/FDS of *one*...?)
The WTBTS has taken this parable (to me, meaning only about faithful christians anywhere on the earth, at any time period) and made it into a prophecy full of their loaded terminology and convolutions and weird self-elevation of individuals as a class above other individuals....But, come on..... **Rutherford**??!!??
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2013 June Our Kingdom Ministry!
by Atlantis in.
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Muddy Waters
Thank you so much!
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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
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Muddy Waters
Things like this make me very uneasy. I understand "AAWA" is new, is having growing pains. I do not know if all the temperments at the top level(s) of leadership are suited for the position(s). It seems that any dissent or disagreement is handled with the same heavy hand as that of the WTBTS. Don't like us? We'll shut you down, block your post, lock the thread, etc. It also seems that legitimate, reasonable questions are seen as attacks rather than requests for information.
The name and its angry tone does not sit well with me. If recovery, healing, understanding, and support for any JWs who wish to leave the WT organization -- is supposed to be one of AAWA's leading goals, then why not choose a name which has a much more positive focus? Steve Hasson recommends being subtle, gentle... because you are dealing with MIND CONTROL. You cannot open a person's mind who immediately thinks of you as antagonistic, apostate, or anti-WT. -
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Did reading Jwfacts help you? Please take a moment to say thanks..
by The Quiet One init seems as though so many of the stories of people who are now mentally free that i read on here involved reading jwfacts.com at some point along the way.. he basically saved my sanity (questionable, i know!
), and was never as sensational and garish as other sites which immediately scared me away.
why not take a minute out of your day to say thanks for any difference that jwfacts made to your life, and tell us what it was that helped you?...
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Muddy Waters
I came across the jwfacts website *after* I began doubting and questioning, and began looking online for resources. Their page about Jesus not being mediator for anyone else except the "144,000" was immensely helpful and well-researched.
A big THANK YOU for Paul and JW facts! Informative, helpful, well presented. :) -
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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)
by cedars inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.
http://www.jwactivists.org.
facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.
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Muddy Waters
Cedars, you said, in part, about AAWA's Mission Statement: " nowhere does it say that we will use internet forums in our decision making process."
Well, that sounds reasonable. HOWEVER, you WILL and DO use internet forums to gather support for AAWA, to announce, advertise and promote AAWA, and to ask for volunteers and other help. And you've mentioned in a few other posts on this thread that you DID talk about AAWA on another forum to gather ideas for the name and to get feedback.
Once again, and apologies if this horse is long beaten and dead now, but for a person who actively runs a SURVEY website for the JW community, it does surprise me that more input wasn't gathered regarding this aspect. Anyhoo. It also sounds that in wanting to surprise many people with this, you neglected to inform some of your potential key supporters.
A few people have described this forum as "too bickery, too divided, too wild-west" -- yet it is the top forum on Google whenever JW topics and subjects come up. It has a huge following and yes, you'll get some odd or combative responses, but for the most part, this forum has been a treasure house of information, JW history, support, and help as well. This forum has many long-time active users and ex-Bethelites, elders, MS's, etc., who have great insights and experience.
I for one, value many of the people here and the level of thoughtful comments and themes which get discussed here. You get an oddball comment, or a derisive voice, but this does not detract from the main information and value.
Well. I suppose enough has been said. Have a good day, all. :)